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8-27-2007 Verespatak #5
27th August, 2007 by Liptak

Verespatak #5


Kedves Barátaim, Magyar Lobbi társaim!

Köszönet a PBS-nek küldött levelekért, azoknak is köszönhetö, hogy ma éjjfélkor a PBS TV újra vetiti a Verespataki ciános aranybányáról szóló programját "GOLD FUTURES", melyet Mo-n "Eldorádó" cimen forgattak.

Szintén köszönet a Wall Street Journalnak küldött levelekért. Azoknak is köszönhetö, hogy a kanadai bánya vállalat lobbistája végre nem csak "szóra méltatott", de úgy látszik, hogy ujságcikk formájában szélesebb nyilvánosságot is kap levélváltásunk. Kérem folytassák a levelek irását a PBS, WSJ, mert végre sikerült felhivnunk a világ figyelmét erre a szörnyüségre és az igazi, nyilvános harc csak most kezdödik, most kell a közvélemény támogatását megnyernünk, hogy az EU, az ENSZ és a World Heritage elé vihessük az ügyet..

Kérem a további segitségteket, Lipták Béla

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TARTALOM:

1) 8-21-2OO7 LEVELEM A WALL STREET JOURNALNAK
2) 8-22-2OO7 LEVELEM PHELIM McALEERNEK
3) 8-24-2007 PHELIM McALEER VÁLASZA
4) 8-25-2OO7 LEVELEM McALEERNEK
5) 8-25-2007 PHELIM McALEER VÁLASZA
6) 8-26-2OO7 LEVELEM McALEERNEK
7) AZ ECHO BAY MINES CEO-JÁNAK LEVELE
8) 8-25-2007 PHELIM McALEER VÁLASZA
9) 8-26-2OO7 LEVELEM McALEERNEK

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1) 8-21-2OO7 LEVELEM A WALL STREET JOURNALNAK

TO: wsj.ltrs@wsj.com, micah.morrison@wsj.com

To The Editor,

Your fine article titled Make Up Your Own Mine of Tuesday, August 21, 2007 leaves out two critical points:

1) In the civilized world open pit cyanide mining is outlawed

2) It is an outrage to first destroy the livelyhood of the residents of a small Hungarian village in Romania and than tell the villagers that they should support the building of this monstrosity, because it will give them jobs.

Sincerely,
Béla G. Lipták, Editor of Environmental Engineers' Handbook


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2) 8-22-2OO7 LEVELEM PHELIM McALEERNEK

Open pit cyanide mining

1) In the civilized world open pit mining with this level of cyanide is outlawed

2) Destroying a world heritage site is shameful

3) It is an outrage to first destroy the livelyhood of the residents of this small village and than tell them that the owners of this monstrosity, will pay them to leave.

Sincerely,
Béla G. Lipták, President, Lipták Associates PC
Editor of Environmental Engineers' Handbook
84 Old N. Stamford Rd., Stamford, CT 06905
Tel: 203-357-7614, Fax: 203-325-3922, E-Mail: Liptakbela@AOL.COM

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3) 8-24-2007 PHELIM McALEER VÁLASZA

No - it is not -it happens in Sweden Spain, the US and Australia and many other civilised countries

It is not a World Heritage site

This is a mining village - the state run and badly polluting mine has closed and there is 90 per cent unemployment. They are quing up to sell their house to move to modern homes just down the road

Phelim McAleer
New Bera Media
Ireland Cell + 353 86 601 5167
US Cell + 347 873 0930
Romania cell +40 745 059627

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4) 8-25-2OO7 LEVELEM McALEERNEK
Dear Mr. McAleer,

I understand that you started out as a journalist, yet your above claims do not reflect that, they sound more like distortions serving the mining interests.

You are mistaken, this concentration of Cyanide is not allowed to be used in Sweden and certainly not in the USA: http://www.meic.org/mining/cyanide_mining/ban-on-cyanide-mining.

A 2,000 year old mine with frescos on its walls is unique and yes, it deserves to be protected. World Heritage status has been applied for!

The mining company did succeed to pressure and bribe some 80% of the penniless and unemloyed residents to move, but 20% are holding out in spite of all the pressure and brain washing, which money can muster.

Even these Canadian gold speculators admit that they will not provide permanent jobs. Even they admit that after 17 years, the gold and silver (and the 2,000 years old heritage of Verespatak) will be gone and the local residents will be left with a gigantic open pit and below it, a groundwater poisoned by cyanide, waiting to be carried into the Maros and the Tisza.

I know that a letter like mine will not change the views of a person like you, who considers us as "environmental terrorists", but the truth is powerful, it will prevail, because world public opinion will stop this monstrous monument to greed and cynicism to be built....

Sincerely, Béla Lipták

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5) 8-25-2007 PHELIM McALEER VÁLASZA


As you will see the facts have changed between the two communications. This is one of the main problems I have with the environmental movement - if their case is so strong then why do they have to stretch the truth.

In your original letter you said it is banned in all civilised countries I said it was not - you then prodiuced a link from an nati-mining website stating that it is banned in the state of Montana.

That still leaves the rest of the US, Sweden, Europe Australia and the rest of the world

I said it is not a World Heritage site you now admit that without any apology for making a misleading statement I challenged this saying they were unemployed because the state run mine closed but you have not addressed this although you do admit they are unemployed.

however not only are they unemployed but you do not allow them the opportunity to sell their property at a good price. but you still have not said how the mining company destroyed the village - can you tell
me?

the miining company admit nothing of the sort Can you show me a quote where they admit they will pollute the water

Phelim McAleer
New Bera Media
Ireland Cell + 353 86 601 5167
US Cell + 347 873 0930
Romania cell +40 745 059627

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6) 8-26-2OO7 LEVELEM McALEERNEK

There is a Hungarian saying: "The owl tells the sparrow that his head is big"

On Montana you did not read the reference material listings.

As to "Can you show me a quote where they admit they will pollute the water?" ADMIT?! I assume you are kidding.

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7) AZ ECHO BAY MINES CEO-JÁNAK LEVELE

Béla,

I'm long retired from the gold mining business! And my specialty was finance, not engineering.

Here's what we did at Echo Bay Mines in my day:

Our only open pit mines were "heap leaching" operations - that is, where the ore is piled up on a leach pad that is engineered and constructed to be impervious, then sprayed with a weak cyanide solution for many days to dissolve out the gold. Ours were both in dry, very remote areas of Nevada. Our biggest mine - Round Mountain - was, as I recall, more than 100 miles from the nearest stoplight.

Our McCoy/Cove mine in northern Nevada was closer to a town, but we were in a very dry area and any pad leakage would have dried up before reaching any populated area. We did have an environmental problem with this mine - finding a way to keep shore birds away from the tailings pond, which did contain enough cyanide to kill the birds. In our original plan for this mine, we and our environmental consultants concluded that we were too far from the ocean to have to be concerned about shore birds. We were wrong, and then had to take corrective action. Even competetent mine engineers can miss an environmental consequence.

What often hurts is what you didn't foresee. Is cyanide the only issue? I remember Bob Armstrong telling you about an old mine we reopened in Colorado. Whenever you break rock, and make it easy for water to get into it, you run the risk of some contaminant getting into the drinking water. A mountain often won't give off appreciable contaminants for millenia if left alone. Start breaking rock and letting water into the mountain and you run the risk of minerals in the water supply that are environmentally undesireable. Not necessarily cyanide, but something undesireable.

I don't recall any open pit, cyanide heap-leaching operation in the United States close to any significant poplulation.

Hope this is helpful.

Bob

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8) 8-25-2007 PHELIM McALEER VÁLASZA

Hello

I would like your permission to publish our correspondence

Thank you

Phelim McAleer

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9) 8-26-2OO7 LEVELEM McALEERNEK

The letter below comes from the retired CEO of Echo Bay Mines, Robert Calman.

He is no "environmental terrorist", just a decent human being, who spent his life in the gold mining business, without ever sinking to the level of telling lies or willingly destroying a 2,000 years old community, leaving behind a cyanide poisdoned hole in the ground.

The greedy speculators you are defending bring shame to a decent and proud profession.

Yes, you can publish anything I write, Béla Lipták


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